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in 1986 but are staring us in the face today. first, a much larger and much more dangerous deficit and second, a dramatic increase been income and inequality. old-style tax reform could make both conditions worse. but don't dismiss the old framework lightly. credit for the 1986 reform law belongs to democrats like bill bradley in the senate. just as much as to president reagan. as a member of the house back then, i not only voted for it, but i whipped the votes to make sure it passed. i was on the committee set up by dan rostenkowski to get it done. the approach made a good deal of sense at the time. then, as now, the code was littered with egregious loopholes that needed to be reformed. recall the so-called passive law schools that were in place back then. they allowed wealthy taxpayers to gain the system. someone could invest in a bowling alley and then, if the bowling alley lost money, they could take a write off many times larger than their initial money incestment of their entire income tax liability. we need to get rid of such a gimmicky tax shelter. paring these loopholes al

to deficit reduction rather than tax breaks for the wealthiest americans. charles schumer was speaking at the national press club in washington about the fiscal cliff, those expiring tax and budget cuts that go into effect in january. this is just under an hour. >> good morning. we're starting right on time today. i want to thank you for coming. i want to take up those of use who are joining us on seemed span. i am a member of the newsmaker committee of the national press club. on behalf of the national press club, we are honored to have charles schumer. the senator will address the topic of tax reform, and i want to say this is an appropriate tax -- topic. time, theus' prevailing idea was that there were dragons just over the horizon. columbus thought he could find a new route, and today we will be exploring new routes to tax reform. the senator will talk for approximately 25 minutes, and and it we will open up the news conference to questions. senator? thank you for that timely introduction. i want to thank the national press club. here is what i said yesterday -- [speaking italian]

. i said i will not put implicit tax cut that adds to the deficit. no economist can say makes -- mitt romney's plan calls -- i will not reduce the share paid for by high-income individuals it. i know that you and your running mate keep saying that and i know it is a popular thing to say, but it is not the case. i have five boys. i in used to people saying something that is not always true but keep on repeating it and hoping that will be leaving, that is not the case. i will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income americans. number three, i will not under any circumstances raise taxes on middle income families. >> for 80 months to have been running on this tax plan. 5 -- 18 months you have been running on this tax plan. now you're big bold idea is to never mind. if you are lowering the rates the way you describe, then it is not possible to come up with enough deductions and loopholes that only affect high-income individuals to avoid either raising the deficit or burdening the middle class. it is math. it is arithmetic. >> today, what's the entire first debate between president obama a

this is an integral part of your jobs plan. our deficit has increased. unemployment is on the rise. this is not part of an active jobs plan. and next topic bills was something we all worry about, it taxes. chris keating will ask that question first. >> there is consensus that extending the bush tax cut is a good idea. there is sharp disagreement about whether the what they should benefit as well. how will you keep taxes lower on the wealthiest americans and keep the jobs as a whole? >> i do call for tax cuts for the middle class. i would keep all of the other tax brackets in place. there would be no gain or loss for others. even president obama in 2010 said we should not increase taxes will we are in a recession. we are barely out of a recession. i do not think now is the time to raise taxes. my plan does call for a tax cut for the middle class. the only one on the stage as called for a tax cut from the middle class. we need to make sure that if our economy starts to turn around and we are improving, i would recommend that we pay more taxes. i would be willing to pay more taxes as long as there's we

for 10% of the deficit spending increases. lower tax rates across the board and close loopholes. we have three bottom lines. do not raise the deficit, do not raise taxes on the middle class, do not lower the share that is borne by the high income earners. it has been discredited by six other studies and even their own deputy campaign manager acknowledged that it was not correct. >> let's talk about this. you have refused to offer specifics on how you would pay for that 20% across the board. do you actually have the specifics or are you still working on it? >> different than this administration, we want to have a big bipartisan agreement. >> do you have the specifics? >> look at what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did. we raise about $1.20 trillion through income taxes. we forgo about $1.10 trillion in loopholes and deductions. deny those loopholes and deductions to higher income tax payers. so we can lower tax rates across the board. >> i hope i am going to get time to respond. >> we want to work with congress on how best to achieve this. >> no specifics. >> lower tax rate 20%. start with

? unfortunately for the fiscal year, the u.s. deficit totals 1$1.4 trillion. it exceeded the $4 trillion mark. >>> jack kennedy and paul ryan, perfect together? some things about them that are similar. both young, energetic, viant. paul ryan things they have something in common, joe biden not so sure. the republican candidate invoked a camelot era comparison. this time, the issue taxes. >> you can cut tax rates by 20% and preserve important preferences for middle class taxpayers. >> not mathematically possible. >> it's been done before. >> it's never been done before. >> a couple of times. >> nevereen done before. >> ronald reagan. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan. >> twitter was atwitter about that. that comment got a noticeable reaction from the group of undecided voters i watched during the debate last night. see it blown up there in the bottom of the screen. here is the problem, both kennedy and reagan working in a different time and place. to start, when both kennedy and reagan took office, individual tax rates not even in the ballpark of what we have now. kennedy's plan, ena

that substantial deficit reduction would be associated with a substantial reduction in interest rates that would push the economy forward at the more rapid pace. indeed, in an important part of the economic growth of the 1990's can properly be attributed to the unlocking of economic energy that was achieved by the 1993 budget measures, that led to a reduction in interest rate, increase in investment, accelerating growth, lower capital clause, further improvement in the deficit and so forth. that approach, a fiscal consolidationization that lead to substantial growth was a plausible and compelling vision for the country in 1993 1993, it has been a plausible and come compelling vision for other countries and times in places. you cannot fall very far out of the basic. with interest rates at 1.7% for ten years. with a real interest at the level where if you want to put your money or store your money with the government for as much as twentd years, you have to pay them for the privilege of having them hold your money. if they are going give you back inflation. in such an environment, the reduction in

by the end of the decade. get this deficit and debt under control. make trade work for america. champion small businesses, do not raise taxes on small businesses. they are our job creators. he talks about detroit. mitt romney is a car guy. this is a guide who i was talking to a family in massachusetts the other day. their kids of work hid in a car crash. two of them were paralyzed. they went to the same church. mitt asked if he could come over on christmas. he brought his boys and his wife and deaths. i know you are struggling, do not worry about college, i will pay for it. mitt romney does not tell these stories. it was not the cash, he gave his time and he has consistently. this is a man who gave 30% of its income to charity, more of the two of us combined. he is a good man. he cares about 100% of americans in the country. the vice president knows that sometimes the words did not come out of your mouth the right way. [laughter] >> i always say what i mean. >> we want everybody to succeed. we want to get everybody out of poverty. we believe an opportunity. that is what we're going to pu

means blowing up the deficit or raising taxes on middle-class families. one or the other. pick your poison. last week, mitt romney said, there is no addition to the deficit with my tax plan. if he says it is not true, then it is not true. ok. it is true that it is not going to add to the deficit, that leaves only one option. that is asking middle-class families to foot the bill by getting rid of the deductions for owning a home, raising kids, or sending them to college. as it turned out, most folks do not like that idea either. just last week, on stage, governor romney decided that instead of changing his plan, he would pretended did not exist. what $5 trillion tax cut? i do not know anything about that tax cut. pay no attention to the tax cut under the carpet, behind the curtain. when he was asked how he would cut the deficit, he said he could make the math work by eliminating local public funding for pbs. by the way, this is not new. this is what he has been saying every time he is asked a question. we can cut out pbs. for all you moms and kids out there, do not worry. somebody is

: in battleground ohio, president obama insists mitt romney's tax cuts will add $5 trillion to the deficit. >> if it's true it's not going to add to the deficit, that leaves only one option, and that's asking middle class families to foot the bill. >> the president's charge of a $5 trillion tax cut is obviously inaccurate and wrong. >> reporter: romney also in ohio mocked the obama campaign's latest ad mocking his plan to cut funding for pbs. >> big bird. big bird. big bird. he's focused on saving big bird is kind of a strange thing in my view because, you see, i'm focused on helping the american people get good jobs. >> reporter: sesame street's now asked the obama campaign to pull the big bird ad, yet there are weightier questions here as congress looks into whether the u.s. was warned of the deadly libya attack. >> twice in the six-month lead-up you had bombings at our compound there in benghazi and it's 9/11 in libya. what other warnings do you need? >> reporter: warnings of trouble now for president obama romney's closing the gap. the latest poll, reuters has them tied, gallup has romney up by

'malley arguiig the huge &pdeficit president obamm inherited and ayotte arguing how the president has made it worse. o'malley ssys: "we stilllhave a long way to gg. anddspeaking of fdr, no president ince him was left bigger job llsses, deficits and more wars han er - presiient obama, was, by the failed policies of george w. bush, which resulted in directly, the grratest job losses since fdr. thhs is not easy anddit s hard work but we are moving forward. ayotte says: "hey, chris, let's talk abouu, though, his policies. of course, we didn't hear in the hour andd25 minutes of debate anything about the stimulus package, because if you look at the governor ddscribed it, they represented below 6 percent uneeployment right now, after the first two years and the policiis that this president put into place, actually made it worse. including the fact that obamacare is actuullyy-- you ask small employers, ii is ccusing thhm ot to hire because f rising healthcare co" cost." the nnxt debate between the presidentiil candidates will take place on tuesday october 16-th. 3for the 1-st time in 8 ye

questions about his negotiations with the republicans on the financial and debt and deficit issues. and he was tuned in. he answered, he gave his side. he gave his defense. the obama -- the other night in this debate -- it was almost like there were two channels going in his mind, one on the debate and answering in the way he did, which just didn't fit together. and then when he was looking down, it's almost like something else was deeply worrying him. now, i don't know that. the point is, you know, why would he be so out of it in clearly one of the most important political moments of his life? >> sean: it is a really good question. i think -- i think he was shocked because mitt romney looked him dead in the eye, was very deep in the facts. i mean, it was just the opposites of john mccain, in the mccain debate, obama was looking mccain in the eye and mccain looking down or out at the crowd. very different in terms of the body language. on substance, romney was very knowledgeable, across the board, every question and was willing to take the president on. i don't think he is used to that? >>

or four point deficit. they need him to step up and do something. >> andrea: they also -- >> eric: stop the slide. >> andrea: they might rely on immediate you to do the dirty work. hostile in an interview that paul ryan had with a reporter. shows the media fury. >> this country has a crime problem. not a gun problem. >> no, if you look at the gun laws we have. i don't think president obama proposed gun laws. we have good strong gun laws. two have to enforce the laws. we have a lot of laws that aren't properly enforced. we need to enforce the law. best thing to prevent the violent crime in inner cities is bring opportunity in the inner city. >> andrea: we cut that. but it goes on where the reporter gets more and more hostile. eventually the press secretary pulls it. are we going to see the media step few the obama campaign is flailing more? >> dana: often the initials you get good interview from local media. if they think they will win a pulitzer prize from that, they're in trouble. paul ryan is smarter than everybody nellis the room. if it comes across that he knows he's smarter than ev

and managing deficits and on unleashing the forces of innovation. from everything i've seen the u.k.'s first coalition government since churchill is meeting these challenges head-on. in the face of the most challenging economic times we have experienced in decades this is a government that is clearly not afraid to leave. and in 2010 when david cameron went down the british economy and the entire european union was in dire straits. since then as we keep reading most national governments have tried to ride out the storm buy simply putting down the hatches and hoping that the sky is will return quickly. the governments have charted a new courses that will lead them to clear skies and i think the united kingdom has been an exception and the conservative party has been the reason. [applause] prime minister kim and together with his chancellor of george osborn are creating a new course for britain. it's not easy work, and i can appreciate how hard it is to step into a crisis and make the tough decisions to overcome. i first took office in the three months after the attack of my 11 -- 9/11. we lost

would add to the deficit and romney insists it is absolutely not true. >> he said if he says it's not true, then it's not true. okay. >> reporter: in battleground ohio, president obama insists mitt romney's tax cut will add $5 trillion to the deficit. >> if it's true that it's not going to add to the deficit, that leaves only one option and that's asking middle class families to foot bill. >> reporter: the president's charge of a $5 trillion tax cut is obviously inaccurate and wrong. >> reporter: romney also in ohio mocked the obama campaign's mocking his plan to cut funds for pbs. >> big bird. >> big bird. >> big bird. >> he's focused on saving big bird. kind of a strange thing in my view because you see i'm focused on helping the american people get good jobs. >> reporter: sesame's street now asked the obama campaign to pull the big bird ad, yet there are weightier questions here as congress looks in to whether the u.s. was warned of the deadly libya attack. >> twice in the six month lead up, you had bombings at our compound there in benghazi and it's 9/11 in libya. what other

dust of trickle-down economics will somehow erase any damage to the deficit or hold harmless the middle class -- it is a mirage. it is not realistic. the broader issues of tax reform are something that very much interest the president of united states, but has always -- his approach is always that everyone has to pay their fair share, everyone has to pay their -- everyone has to get a fair shot. in the debate he is having with the election and has been having with republicans on capitol hill, if we take a balanced approach that includes increased revenues by asking millionaires and billionaires to pay a little bit more, we can reduce our deficit significantly -- $4 trillion -- while making sure that the middle class does not have its taxes go up and making sure that we invest in education and infrastructure and innovation. the alternative choice that has been presented is that we should lower taxes for millionaires and billionaires and in order to pay for that, we have to turn medicare into a voucher program. we have to get investments in education and innovation, research and developme

% gdp growth after you get to an almost 10% deficit spend of $3 trillion out of deficit stimulus, it's not robust growth. what happens in this election is important. clearly people have to get out and vote. what's going to happen on this groundwork and infrastructure of our economy over the next four years is going to be crucial for future generations. >>. no, it's not about infrastructure. it has nothing to do with infrastructure. david, it has to do with mitt romney's brilliant tax reform plan to lower the rates and broaden the base and cap the deductions. we're going to talk about that in the next segment with arthur laffer and jared bernstein. but don't you think there's potential here for a political and economic revolution? and if a pro-growth revolution comes, american entrepreneurs, american small businessmen and women are poised, they are poised to torque up the animal spirits and give this a great lift. i think people in the stock market are missing this, david goldman. >> larry, markets have never been good about predicting elections and discounted them. but the fact is, w

they need for the jobs they want. get the deficit and debt under control to prevent a debt crisis. make trade in america and sell things overseas and champion small businesses. don't raise taxes on small businesses because they are our job creators. he talks about detroit. mitt romney's a car guy. they keep misquoting hip. let me tell but the mitt romney i know. this is a guy who i was talking to a family in north borough, massachusetts, sherylin mark-nixon. their kids were hit in a car crash, four of them. two of them were paralyzed. the romneys didn't know them. they never met. mitt asked to come over for christmas. he brought his boys, his wife and gifts. later on, he said, i know you are struggling, mark, don't worry about their college, i will pay for it. when mark told me this story -- mitt romney doesn't tell these stories. the nixons told me this story. when he told me the story, it wasn't the cash help, it's that he gave his time and he has consistently. this is a man who gave 30% of his income to charity, more than the two of us combined. mitt romney's good man. he cares about

independent. help people who are hurting get the skills they need to get the jobs they want. get the deficit under control. make trade work for america, and champion small businesses. don't raise taxes on small businesses because they are our job creators. he talks about detroit. mitt romney is a car guy. let me tell you about the mitt romney i know. this is a guy who i was talking to a family in massachusetts the other day, cheryl and mark nixon. their kids were hit in a car crash, four of them two of them rob and reid were paralyzed them. the romneys didn't know them. he asked if he could come over at christmas. he brought his boys and gifts. he said i know you are struggling don't worry about their college, i'll pay for it. mitt romney doesn't tell these stories. when the nixons told this story it was that he gave his time. mitt romney is a good man. he cares about 100% of americans in this country. and with respect to the quote, i think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. [ laughter ] >> biden: but i alwa

will do little to cut the deficit. >> somebody is finally getting tough on big bird. rounding him up. elmo's got to watch out too. >> reporter: but elmo is not tickled. sesame street's producers released a statement saying it's not taking sides adding we have approved no campaign ads and as is our general practice, have requested that the ad be taken down. republicans are now calling it the big bird backfire. >> i just find it troubling that the president's message -- the president's focus 28 days from election day is big bird. >> reporter: romney's advisors say it's a surprising tactic given what then-senator obama said in his convention speech in 2008. >> if you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. you make a big election about small things. >> reporter: the romney campaign also believes the candidate is connecting better with voters. here getting choked up talking about navy seal glenn dougherty who died in a consulate attack in libya, a man romney said he once met. >> you can imagine how i felt when i found out that he was one o

national deficit has grown through $16 trillion. the president said he was gone to cut that in half, but it doubled under his watch. very disturbing is that when the president came into office there were 32 million americans on food stamps. today its 47 million. there is still an incredible number of ohioans and americans out there struggling. the choice is clear. we can have four more years like the last of zero four. what america needs is a real recovery. only romney and ryan can provide that. host: when the president took office we were losing 800,000 jobs a month. since the president took office, we have 5.5 million additional jobs. truck about the automobile recovering, he saved the automobile industry and 1/88 jobs in the state are reflective of the auto industry. i worked the railroad 41 years. the guys and women working there, they're happy, jumping up and down because they have employment. one out of eight jobs are connected to the auto industry. not only that, the government at the time, strickland, and the president came to and youngstown, my area, and it one of the last

last year doubled their taxes this year, we would still have a $300 billion deficit. you see, there aren't enough rich people and small businesses to tax to pay for all their spending. and so the next time you hear them say, don't worry about it, we'll get a few wealthy people to pay their fair share, watch out, middle class, the tax bill is coming to you. that's why we're saying we need punishment tax reform. let's look at it this way. 8 out of 10 businesses, they file their taxes as individuals, not corporations. where i come from overseas, which is lake superior, the canadians, they drop their tax rates to 15%. the average tax rate on businesses in the industrialized world is 25% and the president wants the effective top tax rate to go above 40%. 2/3 of our jobs come from small businesses. this one tax would actually fax about 53% of small business income. it's expected to cost us 710,000 jobs. and it doesn't even pay for 10% of the proposed deficit spending increases. we're saying close loopholes primarily to the higher income people. we have three bottom lines. don't rai

. if five. plan. get the energy in ag -- get american energy independent. get this deficit and debt under control to prevent a debt pricecrisis. make things in america and sell them overseas. do not raise taxes on small businesses because they are our job creators. he talks about detroit. mitt romney is a car guy. they keep misquoting him but let me tell you about the mitt romney i know. this is a guy who was talking to a family in massachusetts the other day, sheryl and mark nixon. their kids were hit in a car crash, two of them were paralyzed. romney's did not know them. it went to the same church, they did not know them before. he brought his boys and wife and gifts. he said i know you are struggling. i will pay for college. the nixons told me the story. when he told me the story, he said he gave time. he gave 30% to charity. mitt romney is a good man. he cares about 100% of americans in this country. with respect to that quote, the vice-president knows that sometimes you're words do not come out of your mouth the right way. [laughter] >> but i always say what i mean. >> i want to get

not cut taxes at all if they added to the deficit at all. now, as "the washington post" reporter checks out, for two years romney has been campaigning on a tax cut that would cost around $5 trillion over ten years. romney said he would eliminate deductions and cut spending to pay for it. he never offers details. he did say he would cut funding for public broadcasting which was 0.01% of federal spending in 2012. medicaid was 0.13%. romney also spoke in favor of regulations including much of the dodd/frank bill and he repeatedly held up as a model his health care plan in massachusetts which has added center the individual mandate and on which obama care is based. romney's transformation did not happen overnight. the candidate has been reworking his stump speech. in a very smart analysis, npr pointed out romney has a five point stump speech. the first four points are actually identical to obama's stump speech. two, domestic energy, three, retraining programs, four, domestic. -- deficit reduction. on five they differ. i've long argued that romney is an intelligent man trapped in a party tha

it. >> bill: no, we haven't balanced the debt! are you kidding me! we have a $1 trillion deficit! >> holding steady. >> bill: said a -- >> we had a surplus under clinton. >> bill: no, no, no, no. the debt wasn't xed out. you're mixing up the deficit with the debt. no, no, no, you're missing the deficit with the debt is yearly spending. the debt is cumulative. the debt wasn't wiped out. >> 1.7 trail in bush tax cuts, yes? that was -- >> bill: i'm not gog defend bush or the republican party. i'm going to tell you one thing, the highest tax revenues in the history of this nation occurred in 2007. the government got more money from we, the people, than any other time in history under the bush tax, the rich tax cuts. >> bill: after an hour at the podium, the two moved to more comfortable quarters. >> how is it that two personalities such as yourselves who are almost polar opposites politically, share a willingness to come together when congress can't? what advice would you give congress? [ applause ] [ laughter ] >> bill: what would you like for christmas, little boy? [ laughter ] get

deficit in medicare. to save the programs, the republicans want to save them as much as anyone else, to save medicare and social security, they have to be reformed. but the other side is sticking their head in the sand and saying you want to destroy medicare. no, we are trying to preserve medicare. >>neil: this dates back to the reagan administration, senator, and the fact of the matter is, under republican and democratic presidents alike, even adjusted for inflation, the money going out far exceeds inflation year in and year out. that is not sustainable math. this comes down to an unpopular issue because then you are going presumably after seniors or you ericing the senior -- are risking the senior vote. i have been talking about changing the programs science i started running. i said inof thebly the age of eligibility when you begin receiving medicare and social security will have to gradually go up. the next generation may age and under. >>neil: what is the cut off age in people in their early 50's who should lock at getting it maybe in their middle to late 50's in what? >>guest:

so they don't add to deficits and says that he would do so in large part by curbing tax breaks on the rich. he also has promised not to raise taxes on the middle class. now, this triggered a pretty hot exchange between joe biden and paul ryan over whether it's mathematically possible. let's bring in christine romans to separate fact from fiction. good morning. >> good morning, randi. paul ryan claimed you could cut income taxes by 20% across the board and all while keeping this deficit neutral. listen to that fiery exchange. >> you can cut tax rates by 20% and still preserve these important preferences for middle class taxpayers. >> not mathematically possible. >> it is matmatically possible. >> the nonpolicy tax center says it's not mathematically possible with the amount of information we have about romney's tax plan. not possible to cut rates as much as he would like without deductions that would hurt the middle class. investment taxes and dividend taxes, which the romney campaign has said it wouldn't do. so, for those reasons, our verdict here is that it's false. you can't

, that was dishonest. >> when senator obama said in 2008, i'm going to cut the deficit in half, close gitmo, people said that was unrealistic, but didn't say he wasn't telling the truth. there's a difference, isn't there? >> no. closing gitmo involved an act of congress, and he wasn't able to get congress to agree with him on that question. this is basic math. >> greta: joining us our political panel, abc news senior washington editor rick klein, casey huntington, and byron york. rick, first you. i thought it was executive order to close gitmo, just needed congress to place the people. am i right? >> they realized it was going to be harder than they wanted. the distinction he's making is in terms of campaign pledges versus actions that you can possibly have congress do later. it's a stretch obviously. one man's lie and dishonesty. >> greta: it's name-calling. >> you've seen a shift from the obama campaign in terms of how they're trying to discuss and describe mitt romney. for a long time they were more interested in trying to describe him as a conservative extremist. they didn't want to go after hi

would call these gimmicks, the full ten year cost of this bill has of $460 billion deficit. the second has a one half trillion dollar deficit. probably the most cynical gimmick in this bill is something that we all probably agree on. we don't think we should cut doctors' 21% next year. we stop those cuts from occurring every year for the last seven years. we all call this the toxics. well, according to your numbers it cost her her $71 billion. it was in the first iteration of all these bills. because it was a big price tag and made the score look bad, may look like a deficit, that provision was taken out and has been going on in stand-alone legislation. ignoring these costs does not remove them from the backs of taxpayers. hiding spending does not reduce spending. and so when you take a look of this is just as not add up. let's finish with the cost curve. we bending the cost curve down or up? well, if you look at your own chief actuary of medicare revenue up. he is time we are going up $222 billion, adding more to the unsustainable fiscal situation we have. and so when you take a look

? because according to experts, he'd have to raise taxes on the middle class - or increase the deficit to pay for it. if we can't trust him here... how could we ever trust him here? oh, hey alex. just picking up some, brochures, posters copies of my acceptance speech. great! it's always good to have a backup plan, in case i get hit by a meteor. wow, your hair looks great. didn't realize they did photoshop here. hey, good call on those mugs. can't let 'em see what you're drinking. you know, i'm glad we're both running a nice, clean race. no need to get nasty. here's your "honk if you had an affair with taylor" yard sign. looks good. [ male announcer ] fedex office. now save 50% on banners. >>> their ideas are old and their ideas are bad and they eliminate the guarantee of medicare. >> here's the problem. they got caught with the hands in the cookie jar taking it out for obama care. >> those are great sound bite, but how do we get to the truth in those comments. paul ryan stuck by his proposals at the debate last night. only he said, partially privatizing medicare will not turn into a vo

talks with the deficit reduction packages the same way that paul ryan has. i thought it was very strong on that in terms of his command of the substance which made it harder for ryen to go out there and show himself, to have greater command. that was an area i think conservatives and republicans expected a little too much out of paul ryan. and where democrats could be proud of their guy against joe biden in terms of his command of a substance that he wasn't expected to necessarily have command of. >> listening to the romney campaign's reaction to this, heavy emphasis on biden's manners last night, on the laughing, the sort of dismissive attitude maybe. it seems to me the effect they're going for is making this the equivalent of al gore and the sighing in 2000 where that becomes the post-debate story. do you think that has attraction on the right, biden's manners? >> that's part of the discussion. i don't think anybody watched that debate and didn't think there were times he was smiling which didn't seem to be appropriate. particularly when they're talking about foreign policy and what w

'60s, we were running budget surpluses. even in the early '80s, the budget deficit was a lot smaller. that's the key reason i'd be concerned. i think tax reform is a good idea. doug is right. we need to have tax reform, but we need tax reform that raises enough revenue to lower tax rates and also goes to reducing future budget deficit because if we don't get the deficits down, lower tax rates aren't going help us. >> and doug, do you think it's fair to say, romney ryan have been saying they think a 3% growth is reasonable. do you think it is? because for in of this math to work out and this whole argument everybody's having about whether they can cut taxes and close enough loopholes, they are counting on economic growth on being part of making up that difference. will it? >> you can't say for sure because good tax policy does t matter. t not the only thing going on out there and you would have to have a displn palestinianed, economic policy. we have a serious threat to the economy from existed and projected debt. it is different from the era of reagan in that debt is not being driv

, in 2010 a bipartisan federal commission unveiled the plan to cut the nation's deficit by $4 trillion through a mix of tax increases and spending cuts. the plan was never voted on in congress. do you agree with any or all with what the commission came up with? what other efforts do you think the country needs to take on to cut the country's debt, which now exceeds $16 trillion? >> debt and our deficit are very important issues that we need to tackle and they're a matter of national security. and this is one of the starkest contrasts between congresswoman bono mack and myself. you see, congresswoman bono mack wants to put the deficit and the burden of our debt on the shoulders of our seniors, our middle class and our students. by turning medicare into a private voucher system and charging our seniors $6,000 a year for their health care costs on average, by cutting pell grants and stafford loans who rely on those for their college education and she's voted to increase taxes on the middle class through the ryan plan. all of this in order to keep tax breaks for multi-millionaires and tax

states and six years later, left with massive deficits. during his time in the senate, national debt went up by $16,000 every second and in an earlier debate, he conceded spending was a problem when he was in the senate. we also have people who know how to work together. as a nonpartisan mayor in richmond, i worked to cut crime, build schools, and grow the economy, and as a governor in a tough time, we worked to win all kinds of accolades for the state. my opponent, when he was governor, said his job was to knock democrats soft teeth down their whiny throats and took a similar position in the senate, siding against compromise efforts led by then virginia's senior senator john warner. we need to join together to move forward and that's what i'll do as your next united states senator. >> mr. allen, your opening statement. >> thank you, bob, and thank you all for listening and watching this debate. folks, i envision a much better future than what we're having to endure these days and that's why i've put forth a detailed plan. my blueprint for america's come back. to get our economy stronger,

years later left with massive deficits. during his time in the senate, the national debt went up by $16,000. he conceded that spending was a problem in the senate. we also have people who need to know how to work together. i learned to cut crime bills and the economy. my opponent said his job was to not democrats softly. he took this similar position in the senate, fighting efforts led by the then-senior virginia senator. when someone who will fight and that is what i will do is your next to none state senator. >> if mr. allen, your opening statement. >> thank you. it's much better future than what we are having to endure these days. that is why i put forward a detailed plan. my blueprint for america to get an economy and stronger jobs. the question is which one of us can be accounted upon. you may have read an article that was comparing our two governorships. the call me when the most accomplished modern governors with major improvements in public education, safety, welfare reform, and i described how worked with leaders in the other party to get results for the people. the bad economy

spending cuts and we need to be talking about increasing revenues. it takes both to close the deficit. we both submitted our economic proposals to the boston globe. they were sent out four independent economic analysis. what the independent economists found is that i was 67% more effective at cutting the deficit then senator brown. why? because i am willing to make cuts. i am willing to make substantial cuts. i support substantial cuts. i also believe we have to raise revenues. that is what it will take to get serious about our deficit. i truly believe on this one, this is about our children and grandchildren. we cannot leave it to our grandchildren to pay off our debts. >> great question. we are in the $16 trillion national debt. we are in another trillion dollar deficit. you cannot keep borrowing to pay our bills. when we are talking about cutting military spending, we have party cut in half a trillion dollars. that affects many people in this room and people watching. i have been battling as a member of the arms services committee to try to find the resources to protect our men and wom

is already under way. >> here we go. tara, thank you so much. >>> controlling the deficit is one of the key issues of campaign 2012. this week, a group of bipartisan senators is meeting in virginia to try to keep the nation from falling off the so called fiscal cliff. the group of eight senators, four republicans and four democrats, is expected to meet for three days to try and reach a deficit reduction proposal that's acceptable to congress and the president. the fiscal cliff refers to budget control measures scheduled to take effect at year's end, including tax increases and spending cuts. >>> today attack now on the u.s. consulate in libya. one of the men responsible for the security of u.s. diplomatic in libya said he knew there were security issues there long before the deadly attack in benghazi. he's scheduled to testify tomorrow. sheryl atkinson has his story. >> reporter: lieutenant colonel andrew wood last set foot in libya in february to elite a security team with expertise in counterterrorism. from the moment he arrived, he says he saw chaos. >> shooting instances occurred. many

the skills they need to get jobs they want. get this deficit and debt under control to prevent a debt crise. make trade work for america so we can make more things in america and sell them overseas and champion small businesses. don't raise taxes on small businesses because they're our job creators. he talks about detroit. mitt romney is a car guy. they keep misquoting him, but let me tell you about the mitt romney i know. this is a guy who i was talking to a family in northboro, massachusetts, the other day. sheryl and mark nixon. their kids were hit in a car crash, four of them, two of them, rob and reid, were paralyzed. the romneys didn't know them. they went to the same church. mitt asked if he could come over on christmas. he brought his boys, his wife, and gifts. later on he said, "i know you're struggling, mark. don't worry about their college. i'll pay for it." when mark told me this story, because you know what, mitt romney doesn't tell this story. the nixons told this story. when he told me this story. he said it wasn't the cash help. it's that he gave his time and he has consiste

claimed that you can reduce our deficit through tax increases alone. he's never said that. the president and vice president have said we need to take the ballad propose, using the kind of frachlwork that bipartisan groups have suggested. whereas republicans have been very clear not one more penny, even from people like mitt romney to reduce the deficit. so our point isn't that you can increase taxes on wealthier people, and do the whole thing on the deficit. our point of review is that they should be asked to contribute a little more. go back to paying what they were in the clinton administration, when the economy was roaring. that's what we're saying. we support a combination of additional targeted cuts. but also revenue for folks who are doing very well to help reduce the deficit. because if you don't have one penny more from very wealthy people it means you sock it to everybody else. seniors on medicare pay more. less investment in our kids' education. and that's exactly the romney/ryan budget does. itzhaks it to the middle class and seniors, in order to give these tax breaks to very

to experts, he'd have to raise taxes on the middle class - or increase the deficit to pay for it. if we can't trust him here... how could we ever trust him here? silverado! the most dependable, longest lasting, full-size pickups on the road. so, what do you think? [ engine revs ] i'll take it. [ male announcer ] it's chevy truck month. now during chevy truck month, get 0% apr financing for 60 months or trade up to get the 2012 chevy silverado all-star edition with a total value of $8,000. hurry in before they're all gone! >> i want to bring the conversation to the state of our economy, the number one issue here at home is jobs. the percentage of unemployed just fell 8% for the first time in 43 months. the obama administration had projected that it would fall below 6% now after the addition of close to a trillion dollars in stimulus money. will both of you level with the american people, can you get unemployment to under 6% and how >> i don't know how long it will take. we can and will get it under 6%. let's look at where we were when we came into office. the economy was in freefall. 9 milli

.s. >>shepard: specifics? >>guest: he is hailed as a deficit hawk but his own budget doesn't balance until 2040. the olson tws wll b 5 b eme is balanced. >> if you taking youroney, who do you give it to? joe biden and president obama or ryan and ey? ep bon t opant specifics? >>guest: what they --. >>shepard: you are saying you ll not mess with the deficit but you are not adding more tax money. if you don't add more money, how does it wor tabo.eaire >> stimulating the economy, the president has not laid out his plan and they are saying, why doesn't governor romney lay out hisplan. he has done it over and ovend h tedutcug rd >> i would rr ben t side of momentum. >> if you are driving across the country and you say you will do it in 15 years can you not do that unless you speed. that is what mitt romney is sayi >>shd:y saey ll tutit h ld. stands to reason that the american people would go, you should tell us how but they are not going to. >>guest: i think we will hear it from the vice predent. wdov il >>shepard: all right guys, john, john, everyone is john today. we will be in kentucky tomorrow.

administration does not really care about the deficit and how high it is getting. why would you raise the deficit when you owe so much money? it will bankrupt our country. host: what do you do a in redmond, ore.? caller: i am a full-time student at a community college and i also work at a fast-food restaurant to pay bills. host: where are you studying? caller: criminal-justice. host: where are you watching c- span at 6:00 a.m. in the morning in oregon? caller: i get up early allot. earlier, i was watching a different program, in b.c. i think, and i think there were a lot of very baidoa -- nbc, i think, and i think there were a lot of very biased reporters. i switched channels. host: is this your first time watching c-span? caller: no, it is now. i actually watched it a lot. host: that is there a studying criminal justice in redmond, ore.. next up is michael in springdale, another first-time voter. caller: i was flipping through the channels here and listening to a lot of individuals call in and one of the topics that came up is the military. and being a first-time voter, i want to say that as a v

the economy, on jobs, on federal spending and the deficit. and that poll was taken, most of that poll was taken before last week's debate which widely is seen as going to mitt romney. now, in california, the president last night actually mocked his own debate performance, poked fun at himself. take a listen to this. >> everybody here is such great friends, and they just perform flawlessly night after night. i can't always say the same. >> reporter: so the pressure's really on the president for the next presidential debate which will be, of course, next week. but first, the two number twos are going to go head to head thursday night in danville, kentucky. no one knows what to expect from that one. joe biden going at it with congressman paul ryan. we haven't seen these two go head to head before. so a lot going on this week with this foreign policy speech. a lot of fund-raisers out west with the president and then, of course, the big debate on thursday night. for "cbs this morning," i'm jan crawford in lexington, virginia. >>> california's governor is taking emergency steps to cut risin

of this bill is a $460 billion deficit. the second cost has a $1.7 trillion deficit. the most cynical give a guy in this bill is something we probably all agree on -- we do not think we should cut doctors' 21% next year. we stopped those cuts from occurring every year the last seven years. according to your numbers, this costs $371 billion. it was in the first iteration of all these bills, but because it was a big price tag and made the score look bad, that provision was taken out, and it has been going on in stand-alone legislation. but ignoring these costs does not remove them from the backs of taxpayers. hiding spending does not reduce spending. when you take a look at all of this, it just does not add up. i will finish with the cost curve. are we bending the cost curve down or up? if you look in your own chief actuary at medicare, we are bending it up. he is claiming we are going up $221 billion, adding more to the fiscally unstable situation we have. when you look at this, it is really deeper than deficits or the budget gimmicks or the actuarial analysis. there really is a difference

both to close the deficit. we both submitted our economic proposals to the boston globe. they were sent out four independent economic analysis. found is that i was 67% more effective at cutting the deficit then senator brown. why? because i am willing to make cuts. i am willing to make substantial cuts. i support substantial cuts. i also believe we have to raise revenues. that is what it will take to get serious about our deficit. i truly believe on this one, this is about our children and grandchildren. we cannot leave it to our debts. >> that is time. mr. brown? >> great question. we are in the $16 trillion national debt. we are in another trillion dollar deficit. you cannot keep borrowing to pay our bills. when we are talking about cutting military spending, we have party cut in half a trillion dollars. that affects many people in this room and people watching. i have been battling as a member of the arms services committee to try to find the resources to protect our men and women who are serving. we have sequestration coming up. we are trying to work in a bipartisan effort to step b

for the economy. another important element is a private set her deficit. wow, another important reform has been to put into the constitution, a financial stability law, that means that the government is going to be more able to meet their objectives and to put a degree on the expand says and the deficit of the regional suspense, which is part of the issue because the expenditures from the central government, another part of the government in which you have tools in order to make them comply with your objectives. at the government has proper tools. and in the process of the fiscal situation as we see in this chart, we have a totally out-of-control deficits in the year 2009 with a deficit exceeding 11% of the gdp and now we are to reducing the step thursday of the very important issue and what the markets wonder if the capacity of the government to get to the 6.3%. there is a degree in the market and the capacity, but the government is confident that she can get this figure and i think it would be a very important message for the market. if it's able to comply with the objective of direction and

ryan on debt and deficit matters. have you ever found yourself debating him, you know, taking opposite sides on something, let's say, and if so, was he a tough debater? >> oh, wow. you have me scratching my head on that one. it's -- it would be a pretty odd day paul ryan and i would disagree on anything. he knows the budget better than just about everybody. he has a plan with governor romney for economic growth and although vice president biden is a veteran of 18 different presidential and vice presidential debates, he may score well on style but he's got the obama record to defend and not an easy evening for him on substance. and i think people are very impressed with paul ryan. i mean, here's a guy from the heartland of america. he knows the values and challenges of middle income families. and he's got a plan along with governor romney to put america back to work and quit spending money we don't have the children have better opportunities than we have had and -- >> let me jump in. >> i'm looking forward to tonight. >> on that plan, the question then is, does paul ryan need to be more

deficit and debt under control. make trade work for america to make more things in america and sell them overseas and champion small businesses. don't raise taxes on small businesses because they are the job creators. he talked about detroit. mitt romney's a car guy. they keep misquoting him. the mitt romney i know is a guy who i was talking to a family in massachusetts the other day, sheryl and mark nixson. their kids hit in a car crash, two of them parollized. mitt wanted to come over on christmas bringing his boys, his wife, and gifts. later on he said i know you're struggling, mark, don't worry about college. i'll pay for it. when mark told me the story because mitt doesn't tell the stories. when i was told the story, he said it was not the cash help, but that he gave his time and he has consistently. this is a map who gave 30% of the income to charity, more than the two of us combined. mitt romney's a good man and cares about 100% of americans in the country. with respect to that quote, i think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth

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